“Pope Fires Bishop Who Backed Ordaining Women,” by Associated Press on Today.com for Today News, May 3, 2011.
Whether you agree with women’s ordination or not, this seems very out of whack. What are your thoughts?
“Pope Fires Bishop Who Backed Ordaining Women,” by Associated Press on Today.com for Today News, May 3, 2011.
Whether you agree with women’s ordination or not, this seems very out of whack. What are your thoughts?
sigh…
That sums it up.
Ordaining woman priests is an attack on the priesthood……..pedophilia is an attack on children…..that sums it up.
Bishop Morris was publicly commended, including by his successor, for his sense and sensitivity in handling child sexual abuse problems he faced. Could that be a factor?
I should clarify that seems to be what the church thinks and it does seem that priests are more inportant then children to them.
Catholics don’t realize that future generations will read about this on the internet in summarized form, and it will look a little like this:
– Bishops were removed for saying that women should be priests
– Bishops were NOT removed for having sex with their nephews (like the Belgian bishop)
– Priests had sex with children, and the church leaders moved them to places where they raped other children
– Bishops and Cardinals lied about child rape, and covered it up
– The entire Catholic congregation ignored the victims of the priest’s child rape
There will be proof online. There will be quotes by Rigali saying that the Philadelphia church has no accused priests, even though he has known about the grand jury report for 8 years. He lied, and lied, and lied again, and he’s the biggest Catholic in Philadelphia.
Parents will hand their kids a bible and tell them not to lie, steal or have sex. Their friends will show them the Philadelphia Grand Jury report and ask why they would follow a cult of child rapist and liars. By that time, the Grand Jury report will have been proven in court. Father Cudemo, who raped 17 children, impregnated a 12 year old and took her for an abortion, will be famous.
Kids will sympathize with the kids that were raped, not with their angry, preachy parents and priests. The kids will lie, steal, and have sex. They will laugh at the hypocrisy of the Catholic church, because that is the simplest, most obvious thing to do. Catholics won’t be able to prove they ever did “What Jesus Would Do”
It’s tough enough to convince any kid to stay Catholic and avoid temptation. Now these kids will be hearing about the Catholic Child Rape Cult and those other kids will have proof, online, that they will show on their phones.
Catholics have no idea how bad this will be in the future. God made it simple. Don’t rape children. Don’t lie. Don’t ignore the afflicted, especially if if was caused by pedophile priests against children. Do “What Jesus Would Do”. The rules work on any technology, but if you break the rules, future technology will make the choices easier for future kids.
That’s the legacy today’s Catholics leave for tomorrow’s children. God will be mad.
Patrick O’Malley wrote: “God will be mad.
“. Patrick, have you forgotten that “God knows the end from the beginning?” None of this is a surprise to God. If you really believed what you wrote there, your understanding , your picture of God would be distorted. Were you brought up Catholic?
I’m only interested in being helpful, not arguing.
I grew up Catholic, got the full 12 years in school, and had friends who were raped by priests, one of which drank himself to death. He was a weird kid since he was a teenager, and we just recently figured out why.
God gives people a choice, and when you die, evaluates you on your choice.
God’s children were raped by priests. His “middle managers”, the bishops, priests and popes, broke all of His rules by lying and ignoring the victims.
I don’t understand why people who believe in God are following the “middle managers” instead of God.
I’ve made a clear choice. Please, honestly, explain to me why everyone isn’t walking into the church and demanding that every one of the “middle managers” resign in disgrace, and give unending paid therapy to the victims.
…and when I said God will be mad, I should have been clearer. I meant God will be mad at every person who didn’t actively do the right thing, and He has eternity to decide whether someone gets into heaven.
Maybe the person who didn’t do anything doesn’t go to Hell, but they spend eternity living the lives of the raped children.
To Gerald, I on the other hand like very much what Patrick wrote, IT IS THE TRUTH! He gets it and by the way so does God.
Patrick O’Malley:
Here’s a classic from Cardinal Rigali’s statement in reference to Child Abuse Awareness Month in the Catholic Standard and Times:
“We also seek forgiveness for what may have been a well-intentioned desire to prevent scandal by not publicly acknowledging incidents.”
“incidents” – what the hell are they?
Sorry for the brutal honesty, but Rigali is lying again. It wasn’t a “well-intentioned desire to prevent scandal”.
It was lying to prevent getting in trouble (and prevent getting promotions for each of them at the time), to prevent scandal, and they made a clear, calculated choice to ignore raped children. It’s so evil I could scream.
If I lived down there, Mike, you and I would go teach them some honesty.
Patrick O’Malley, you have given a very scary picture of the future. Alas, I agree with you. What can we really say to our children unless we, the Faithful, act. We must begin to demonstrate; we must withhold donations. We must speak out. We must speak to our civil authorities and seek ways to make sure criminals–even if they are bishops–go to JAIL.
Elizabeth,
It’s a scary picture, but it’s the only picture. When you were growing up, did you know a single kid who didn’t face peer pressure by teenage friends who wanted them to drink, or take drugs, or have sex, or have an abortion, or skip school, skip church, steal, lie, or commit a crime? Did you know anyone who didn’t face challenges as a Catholic?
Now every one of their peers will be able to point to their IPhone and show examples of how the Catholic church rapes children, lies about it, and ignores the victims. They’ll say “why would you listen to THAT church”.
No one would have an intelligent response, least of all a teenager under pressure.
Had the church been respectable, told the truth, and helped the victims, your teenager would have a case. All the church had to do was to follow the 10 commandments and “What Would Jesus Do”.
Now your teenager has no case, and I’m guessing they’ll do what their peers want.
Josef Heller said “you get the government you deserve. Alternately you deserve the government you got.”
In this case, you get the church you deserve. They broke God’s rules in a catastrophic way, and the congregation let them get away with it because they didn’t fight hard enough, and the next couple of generations will laugh at what’s left of the church.
To criticize is very easy. Some are doing it to further their church at the expense of Catholics.
Galileo was punished by the church for his true observations. Last Pope rectified this.
The same way future Pope will say the Bishop was wronged by the past doctrine.
The day is not far- when his view will find relevance in changing situation & time. When we accept married priests from other churches-why not create another line of priesthood with married people or women?- where there is shortage of priests.
This way a new beginning would be made-I hope. Persecution is Not New to Christinas.
I hope I understand what you want to say Patrick O’Malley. You and I share the fact of being “brought up” as Catholics. We didn’t choose it, we were put in the situation by well meaning parents.[I assume].When you said “God is mad” I wondered if it was because of the fallacious Roman picture of God you may have fallen victim to as have myself and so many others. I see you freeing yourself, as I have , from that wrong view and learning the scriptural understanding of what God “thinks” about us. As you seem to be saying, and it is true: Jesus Christ will judge each believer [those who by faith in Him are in heaven at death]on their works , whether of gold, silver, precious jewels, or of wood, hay and stubble. (I Corinthians.)Although saved by the faith of Christ and sealed for eternity with Christ, each will be rewarded for works that stand the test, or will have their works burned– though still saved. (I Cor.)You are correct, I believe, in asserting that even members of the Catholic congregations who are faithful believers in Christ will be judged on whether they were “enablers” or resisted the evil of the offenders in the church. My point as an ex-Catholic being that Catholics are not taught what the scriptures say , but what men have fraudulently invented about God. Bottom Line: If you believe the gospel as presented in scripture you have to eventually reject the false teaching of Rome.
[I Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.]
Accept what u like or think right, whether it might turn out right or wrong in future.
Blaming the church’s teachings as false by quoting only some verses from Books has become a fashion. But there are equally other verses that give different meaning to different people-So use God given talent to distinguish between right or wrong & keep it for yourself instead of labelling the whole world wrong & only I or my church is only correct.